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Friday, July 14, 2006

The Weekend Comics Chat Open Thread - the Apples and Oranges Edition!


Hey everyone! How's it going? What did you get to read this week? Did you finally get to watch SUPERMAN RETURNS? Tell us!


I read the new GHOST RIDER #1 by Daniel Way (writer), Javier Saltares (breakdowns) and Mark Texiera (finishes) with a cool cover by Mark Texiera. It's a good start, I guess, but it seems lately that new Marvel Comics series only give you half a story in their first issues - or is that just me? Sorta comparing apples and oranges, but last week's ATOM #1 had tons of background, great characters and a interesting and intriguing story crammed into the first issue and just seemed to give more "bang for the buck" as it were. Of course, Ghost Rider is a very cool character visually, but Marvel just seems not to know what exactly to do with him or where to take him...

And was that DOOP?

Discuss.
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32 Comments:

At 7/14/2006 10:58 AM, Blogger amoorefan2 said...

my personal tastes considered, daniel way stinks as a writer...maybe thats actually why you feel like your not getting yours in this particular marvel title...i feel that way about the new atom series with simone writing (bleh) and i don't think the byrne art is too hip for new readers...i could be wrong, its case by case but each book needs to be examined to tell what you're getting for your money..different creative teams make all the differance...that said we need more moore and any artist he works with!!! i don't know if people think his true fans are just talking him up as a god but his stuff is just...(theres almost no words to explain that dialogue and story telling) MOORE FOR LIFE!!! sign up now for volume three of league of extraordinary gentlemen

 
At 7/14/2006 11:55 AM, Blogger stymieresh said...

Wait. There's a VOLUME 3 of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?

Dang, I DO live in a cave!

 
At 7/14/2006 3:55 PM, Blogger amoorefan2 said...

its do out in three months being released as a hard cover you didnt miss it

 
At 7/14/2006 7:34 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

It's in this Previews, stymieresh... should I put you down for one?

amoorefan2, I will buy and read (an most likely enjoy tremendously) ANYTHING Alan Moore writes... I'll bet even his grocery list is fascinating, filled with literary allusions, buts of odd history and interwoven subplots...

 
At 7/14/2006 9:49 PM, Blogger stymieresh said...

I don't know Bill. I love the guy, but it seems as though he has a hard time with endings. Take Top10. The first time around. Kind of just STOPPED rather abruptly don't you think?

And I think they dragged out Tom Strong without him for a while just because he wasn't sure how to end that one either ...


(Is that a HARDCOVER vol. 3? I'm really really really cheap, as you know.)

 
At 7/14/2006 10:38 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

stymieresh, you can check out the particulars of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Black Dossier at your lesiure... any book that contains a "Tijuana Bible" insert and a 3-D section complete with custom glasses, as well as additional text pieces, maps, and a stunning cutaway double-page spread of Captain Nemo's Nautilus submarine by Kevin O'Neill is right up my alley!


I really miss TOP Ten...

 
At 7/15/2006 1:09 AM, Blogger shadow said...

I miss Top Ten too and Transmetropolitan and Sandman and Preacher and Promethea and Astro City and The Invisibles and 100 Bullets and THE Walking Dead......Oh wait those last two are still ongoing , Thank the Gods. I am so looking foward to Grant Morrisons relaunch of The Authority AND Wildcats (Joe Casey and Alan Moore both had sooper runs on Wildcats....the same with Ellis and Millar on the Authority) plus we got a little Garth Ennis coming up on "the Midnighter" and his new series "The BOYS" (better put it on your pull list now I got to read a preview and it was gooood). I haven't had a chance to read bunches this week but I enjoyed Shaolin Cowboy as always, the new Superman story was decent, Talent was really cool as was American Virgin (with hometown boy Josh Middleton doing awesome covers for a bit) both X-men and Uncanny are off to suprisingly good starts( although I could do without Bachalo's overly cartoonish and confusing art on X-men but the story was good). If youve never read Manhunter, I strongly recommend it and you are really missing out if you haven't checked out Eternals or Cassonova, both killer books.My biggest suprise lately has been how good a number of Marvel titles have been (as well as CIVIL WAR of course) the creative lineups on 10 to 12 Marvel books has some of the best stuff they've put out in a decade.By the way GL Corps had a strong second issue so if you gave up after #1 give it a another shot.As far as the Superman movie goes I've heard such a wide array of reviews but I've loved it all three times (as I'm sure I will again tommorrow), there were a few plot points I did not care for but other than that it is one of the best superhero movies ever in my opinion, I just really FEEL the majesty of Superman the entire time Routh is onscreen, and suprisingly the costume was great(ON FILM...not in Photos). Last but not least I feel privileged to be a part of such a fantastic time for comic books in general, never have i seen so many quality books on the shelves at one time , as has been over the last year or so.......anyway thanks for letting me rant y'all ...see ya in Snowtown.

 
At 7/15/2006 1:12 AM, Blogger shadow said...

p.s. I could not more strongly disagree about Moore not being good with endings...but to each his own, it's good to hear differing opinions....

 
At 7/15/2006 10:15 AM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

Yeah shadow, how about WALKING DEAD? What a comic! I nearly fell out of my chair when they caught up with the folks from the helicopter, if you know what I mean! Yikes! That book takes completely unpredictable twists and turns... a definite Top Twenty comic.

I will give GL CORPS a try, as I was a bit unimpressed with issue 1 - Guy Gardner got yer back? Sheyeah right. Whatevuh.

Your observations on SUPERMAN RETURNS are spot-on... well said.

And, yes, I too feel we are in the midst of a Renaissance in comic books... therre really is a lot of great stuff being produced right now, from ALL corners.

 
At 7/15/2006 11:11 AM, Blogger Craig Box13 said...

Well I got cought up on all the 52 and Civil War stuff. X Factor seemed the weakest Civil War tie in I've read. T-Bolts was Sweet! Anyone read the lastest Front Line Civil War(is it 2 or 3....mind is going...anyway).....(SPOILER...be warned....)


The Pet Shop dude turned into to...Who? Anyone know who what it was??
Craig Box13

 
At 7/15/2006 6:28 PM, Blogger G-evan said...

craig box13:
Pet Shop Blue Guy!!!
He's the villain in the '07 Marvel Event: Marvel Goes SEAWORLD!
Translation: I have no idea who the heck he is...

 
At 7/15/2006 7:55 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

The VENUSIAN?




*runs away*

 
At 7/15/2006 11:07 PM, Blogger G-evan said...

That's right, run!!
From the evil that is FISH-GUY!!!

 
At 7/16/2006 8:33 AM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

So anyway, why was DOOP in Hell with Ghost Rider?

Heh.

 
At 7/16/2006 11:04 AM, Blogger shadow said...

that was not Doop in hell was it, Doop is greeeen, soilent green is ohhh never mind.

 
At 7/16/2006 11:06 AM, Blogger shadow said...

the guy in Frontline looked liked like some obscure NAMOR villain whose name I cannot place..

 
At 7/16/2006 11:42 AM, Blogger Craig Box13 said...

Thanks again everyone.....I think....

Craig Box13

 
At 7/16/2006 9:52 PM, Blogger G-evan said...

Does it seem like all the books this month were better than last month's? Or is it just me? Thunderbolts was better, 52 was better, Wolverine: Origins was better...

 
At 7/16/2006 9:53 PM, Blogger G-evan said...

And what is DOOP?

 
At 7/16/2006 11:18 PM, Blogger shadow said...

anyone who missed the indie book "Wasteland" #1 really missed out, I strongly recommend this to anybody, best new book since "The Walking Dead" (BILL make sure you read it, good, good stuff)

 
At 7/17/2006 4:13 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

WASTELAND #1 was shorted by Diamond Comics Distributors last week... replacements should be in Wednesday. I will read it then, shadow, and thanks for the recommendation!

g-evan - DOOP is the key to the entire Marvel Universe, and their greatest character evar.

 
At 7/17/2006 11:38 PM, Blogger G-evan said...

Uh-HUH...
I thought Typeface was considered their best character ever?

 
At 7/18/2006 4:10 PM, Blogger shadow said...

Doop IS the greatest Marvel character, followed closely by "THE ASSASIN" who was paid one Billion dollars to.....(oh never mind, this one's such an obscure Avengers reference nobody's gonna get it)

 
At 7/18/2006 10:51 PM, Blogger G-evan said...

I got it!
Although that's just because I just picked that issue out of a bin randomly. Wasn't that the one that showed a guy in a Klu-Klux-Klan-ish hat holding a gun, saying: "They paid me ONE BILLION DOLLARS to kill the AVENGERS--!" or something like that, surrounded by pictures of dead Avengers?
Ironic that's the only classic Avengers issue I own.

 
At 7/18/2006 10:53 PM, Blogger G-evan said...

Also, I think it was one billion dollars PLUS EXPENSES.
Just being specific.
Completely out of context: Wouldn't DOOP IN HELL make a great series?

 
At 7/18/2006 11:02 PM, Blogger shadow said...

That is crazy G-EVAN , of all the classic Avengers stories you could have it would be that issue, which was a fill in issue at that, feat. a never used again character(to my knowledge)...fun story arc though. Yes you are correct it
was one billion dollars plus expenses with one year of preparation. Doop in Hell LOL.

 
At 7/19/2006 11:09 AM, Blogger G-evan said...

The first storyline in Doop in Hell: Who in the hell is Doop?
Someone will get that reference...

 
At 7/19/2006 11:11 AM, Blogger G-evan said...

shadow: That Avengers was a fill-in issue?
Who was the regular team?

 
At 7/19/2006 1:25 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

You guys are SUCH geeks. I admire that.

g-evan: A "fill in" issue ususlly means the creative team is not the usual one, and a one-off story is published to fill the hole while the other creators either catch up to deadlines or take a break.

There are endless (heh) stories to tell of Doop in Hell...

 
At 7/19/2006 11:37 PM, Blogger shadow said...

thanks for the excellent explanation Bill...(g-evan the "fill in issues(creative team) contained a 2 part story that interrupted a long, quite good story arc that was(creative team wise)way behind schedule, back in those days issues met deadlines even if the current story (issue) was not ready and plugged in a "one off" or "fill-in" to fill the gap.....also in those days they generally did not release variant covers that gave away the big moment such as, oh I don't know Civil War 3 Ed Mcguiness Variant

 
At 7/20/2006 5:44 PM, Blogger G-evan said...

There are so many variants nowadays I'm tempted not to care about them anymore...
What is this, the 90s??!
Bill&shadow: Thanks for the explanation.
Bill: It's nice to know I'm admired for my comic-book-geekyness by veteran comic book geeks, cause I've only been one for a year and a half.

 
At 7/20/2006 7:56 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

And there wasn't an internet full of annoying sites that like to blare the plotlines of comics months ahead of publication...

 

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