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Friday, February 23, 2007

I'm curious...



So what did you all think of CIVIL WAR #7? There has been more than the usual rash of whining and complaining on the internet about how this issue "ends"... what was your take on it? Is some of the disappointment due to the fact that the series was plagued by delays, so the expectations were pumped up high? What do you think?

To avoid giving any spoilers away to those of you who haven't read CIVIL WAR #7, I will not list any plot points out here on the page. For those of you who want to discuss, I'll see you in the comments section of this post!

WARNING! CLICKING ON "COMMENTS" FOR THIS POST WILL EXPOSE YOU TO *SPOILERS* FOR CIVIL WAR #7! IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE ISSUE YET AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AHEAD OF TIME, DO NOT LOOK!

17 Comments:

At 2/22/2007 9:56 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

Right off the bat, I just wanted to point out how COMPLETELY WRONG I was about the whole "Captain America is dying" thing.

Yeesh.

 
At 2/23/2007 12:28 AM, Blogger slipkornotpsu said...

I feel that it was a big let down. I don't think that Cap would just give up like he did. This was just typical Marvel not knowing how to end a big event. It is just like house of m all over again from last summer. Now we have all the aftermath books for pick up yeah.

 
At 2/23/2007 1:49 AM, Blogger amoorefan2 said...

i beleive cap is going to be in the iron man suit now that tony is is leader of shield!

anyways i thought of this today...if i were a new reader 10 years from now and i picked up the civil war trade...i would read it and then think what the hell, it didn't end...

with that said...the fact that its left open to readers in the know there is so much to look forward to...with the oneshots like confession, initiative and the fallen son stuff.. ipersonally loved the entire thing and everything marvel is doing...especially the doctor strange the oath mini...boo ya it rocks!

 
At 2/23/2007 10:35 AM, Blogger p-bus said...

I'm just glad Captain America is still alive. I totally fell for the idea that he was going to die, too. He has always been my favorite. For me, the most interesting part of the Civil War was seeing the relationship between Captain America and the Punisher. Even in #7, the one panel with the Punisher spoke volumes and makes me wonder where the writers are going with this.

Overall, I think Civil War was just OK. great concept, just not executed well.

I still think Iron Man is basically a bad guy now. The only difference between him and a character like Dr. Doom is his motivation... And since power corrupts, he's like a half-step away from evil-dictator thinking.

 
At 2/23/2007 11:22 AM, Blogger Ned at Comix Connection said...

Nope, Marvel did not tie this up in a nice little bow like we all were hoping, especially since it took so doggone long to finish. After reading #7, heres some of my thoughts:

1) Marvel set this up and pitted these heroes against each other. Emotions ran deep on each side, friends FIGHTING friends, not just arguing over a disagreeement.

2) Is there really any way to completely end this division in the Marvel Universe?

3) Captain America acted perfectly in character in the end. He is the personification of America and all that it represents. He surrenders, not because he has lost, but because he realizes that he has lost his way. He states, "We're not fighting for the people anymore...., we're just fighting" ...sort of reminds me of the political situation in the US right now..

4) this nonending leaves a lot of interesting questions to be answered:

How will the "losing" side continue to work for their ideals within the "system"?

What will Caps' role be?

What the heck is the Punisher doing with Caps' mask?

Can anything really be the same again after all this?

I enjoyed this series and the ending and ties ins way more than House of M and I'm so glad that Marvel chose not to take the easy way out and have the Scarlet Witch say, " No more Civil War!" I'm also really excited to see where Marvel is taking us in the next couple of months...Oh and holy smokes what's gonna happen when Hulk comes back to Earth? Boy is he gonna be ticked!

 
At 2/23/2007 9:53 PM, Blogger spider-man-boy said...

aunt may is D-E-D dead finally a true classic for agreat spidey tale as unfolded so i think marvel is great at writing books. civil war just sucked major butt. all that waiting for nothing. but it was cool seeing spidey in his black costume at the end though.

 
At 2/24/2007 10:04 PM, Blogger DethRabbit3K said...

It was definitely a lot more anti-climactic than I was hoping it would be, but I'm not so sure that Captain America might not still die. Maybe the Punisher will don his mask and become the new Cap... And as for Aunt May dying, It's happened before, and we all saw what happened with that. I have to say though that Civil War definitely set the groundwork for some great stories in the near future. I mean, how great is it that they were actually able to make Speedball cool?

 
At 2/25/2007 2:50 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

Hulk's return will be spectacular! SUPER-angry Hulk!

Where's THOR?

And will Black Panther and co. still continue the fight?

And I second dethrabbit3k... Best Speedball EVER. I assume everyone is reading the latest Warren Ellis run on THUNDERBOLTS, right?

New prediction: Aunt May is the new RONIN




runs away

 
At 2/25/2007 2:53 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

Oh, and p-bus... did you read the Cap story in the recent PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #2? The one where Frank meets Cap at USMC boot camp? I thought that issue was truly great - a new piece of the mosaic that makes up what the Punisher is all about...

 
At 2/25/2007 6:27 PM, Blogger GuyFawkes said...

I thought the end of Civil War was great. The great thing about comics is that they really reflect the politics and time in which they are published. The late 70's had the whole women’s lib theme while the 80's were very Regan-esqu and greed. The political climate in the country right now is very politically divided. Straight down the middle.

So divided, that we bicker and squabble over issues that are not really in the interest of anyone. We don't debate anymore, we just fight.

And the only ones who realize it (a la Cap) are the true patriots. All the rest (a la the angry mob that tackles Cap) are just sheep eating the bullcrap we are fed.(by the government)

Perfect---I mean, perfect ending for Civil Way in 2007.

 
At 2/25/2007 7:01 PM, Blogger Mike D said...

What the fuck@#$%!! Aside from Herc planting that hammer in Thors mellon (which everyone admits was great!!) I was disappointed by the lack of death and destruction! I was expecting pages of heroes getting slapped around like Tina Turner on a bad drunk night and instead we get Cap getting clotheslined by @#$%ing cops and EMTs!!!? Come on!!

 
At 2/25/2007 7:12 PM, Blogger Mike D said...

Oh and one more thing! Winter Soldier..yeah he's cool! Original Captain Marvel?...........did they have to? He looks like Brad Pitt at Mardi Gras time; was there an absolute need to bring him back!

 
At 2/27/2007 9:26 AM, Blogger shadow said...

Blade is Ronin, Frank will take the mantle of Captain America,Cap is Iron Man...maybe.just my personal predictions, It WAS just announced that Tony Stark will be leading "The Champions) by FRACTION and KITSON this summer....all in all I quite enjoyed Civil War, there's lots i could bitch about but I just decided to take it for what it is , a good story with great art, an interesting political dynamic and lots of possibilities for the future storywise.......see ya in Snowtown

 
At 2/27/2007 3:12 PM, Blogger Ralphie said...

First I'd like to mention that I was also a little disappointed in the final events of issue #7. I don't think Cap would even entertain the idea of Frank wearing the Cap uniform. Superheroes have been battling in the cities and causing damage as they go for decades. It was odd to see that after all these years of damage and destruction, that Cap would just comes to this realization. Why was he so quick to abandon his beliefs? I think Marvel will now flood the market with 50 new titles, since every State has it's own team of heroes. We'll need to see them all in action. I hear Super Team Pennsylvania is going to kick some @$$!! I think it's going to take all 50 teams to battle the HULK when he returns. WOW..........Cap think of the destruction then?? These are just the rantings of a fanboy, and not to be taken seriously.

 
At 2/27/2007 9:54 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

shadow - I have to agree that CIVIL WAR has certainly opened things up for future storylines... let's see what happens.

ralphie the fanboy - I'm not sure Cap abandoned his beliefs so much as realized that maybe it's better to change things another way... not by fighting each other. Don't worry, Tony has a lot to answer for what with hiring psychotic killers to be cops. This isn't over yet.

Super Team Pennsylvania: Philly CheeseSTAKE! Isiah Stolzfus and his HICKORY STICK! Pittsburg STEAL! Hershey KISS OF DEATH! York Peppermint PATTYWHACK! The PRETZELBENDER!


Heh heh. That was fun.

 
At 2/27/2007 9:56 PM, Blogger Bill at Comix Connection said...

Oh, and mike d, it WAS fun to see Herc lay down the smack! Clone all broken.

 
At 2/28/2007 3:05 AM, Blogger Tathrin said...

Well, I've finally gotten my copy, so it's safe to click here now...I have to wait for the mail to reach GA!

Anyway...I have to say that while I am personally very disappointed with the ending, I think that realistically it was the best one they could do. I wanted to see Cap kick Tony's shiny metal bum, but that's just because I wanted to see that. I think this ending makes a lot more sense, and sets everything up nicely, and fits the rest of the story. This is how something like that would feasibly end; how else do you end a superhero battle of that size without anyone (other than Clor!) dying? You have someone decide to stop. You can't just have some of the heroes lose; how would that work? Yeah, I'm disappointed, but I'm also pleased. A good "ending" to a good story, and a nice set-up for some interesting stories coming out of it.

Maybe they should call Stan Lee and recruit the washouts of the new season of Who Wants to be a Superhero? to fill the 50-states-teams? ;)

 

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